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Week 11: Another Post Interview and Update

This past week was a busy one with finishing up collecting information for our project and the first draft of the site. Almost all the information up is at this point and we are working on copy editing the site.

I had the chance to talk with Dr. Gary Richards this past week to talk about the book, To Kill a Mockingbird. He was recommend to me by Pete Kelly and is the head of the English, Linguistics and Communication Department here at Mary Washington. He also teaches Southern Literature and Modern American Literature courses. He graciously sat down with me to record  an interview and answered a lot of my questions about the book and how language functions in the novel.

The whole interview was really fascinating and Dr. Richards pointed out a lot of things that I hadn’t considered before. He didn’t  know too much about the challenges to the book, but he did talk about the reasons why it is probably so frequently challenged. I asked about his experience and he had read it when he was in middle school and then again in high school. He studied Southern literature at Vanderbilt and said that at the graduate level there was some debate about whether or not the book should be even considered because it is looked at as young adult literature. He eventually included analysis of the book in his thesis and agrees that because the book has been so widely read that it is productive to talk about it. Now he teaches it in his many of his classes and talks about how it is structured and how some of the themes are so heavy handed.

We talked about the n-word and if it was necessary for this book, and if it should continue to be taught in middle and high schools or if it was too problematic. He spoke of how the language was probably used by Harper Lee to draw attention to the racism of the time and that she probably did think it was necessary. In his classes he has students try to decide if the word is allowable and some think that because it packs such a punch that it is important to talk about. It shows just how much derogatory language can hurt. Dr. Richards also talked about how he likes to teach problematic texts because he thinks it is important to talk about why they are problematic or why they make people uncomfortable. He does think that teachers need to carefully handle the novel, but if it gets students to read and talk about the book then it is worthwhile to teach.

I set up a page and wrote a write up about the interview with him, kind of summarizing what we talked about. The interview ended up being almost eighteen minutes long and the transcription five pages long. I made a video with the recording of the interview and included it on the page and below, so if anyone wants to listen to the whole thing they can. I am also going to include a PDF link to the transcription for anyone who is interested.

I think this interview added a lot of in depth information about the book and how it impacts society. There is a lot to unpack in it and I am really glad we were able to connect with Dr. Richards and create this interview.

 

Week 10: Post Interview

Good news times two!

We got a response from one of the people we reached out to interview, so we now have the full interview up on the petition page of our website!

I am also speaking with an English professor here at UMW, who also happens to be the head of our department, Dr. Richards about To Kill a Mockingbird this coming week. He was the one recommended to me by Pete Kelly, the head of our education department here. (Pete Kelly says “Hi!” to Dr. Dierking!)

Sadye Saunders, the student who started the petition to get the book back on her school’s shelves, got back to us with answers to the interview questions we had for her and they are awesome! I am super excited about it and she gave us a lot more insight, from a student’s perspective, which really showed a lot about what actually happened. I think the struggle we had before the interview with her was hearing about what happened through news sources and they confused some of the details. One of the details we were unsure about, was if the petition was taken away from Sadye or if she was just asked to take it off of school property. According to her answers, the principal did take it away for the day, but gave it back to her at the end of the day, telling her she needed to collect signatures off of school property. He was actually the one who informed her about the protest and suggested that she go there for more signatures.

Screenshot of Interview page with Sadye
Screenshot of Interview page with Sadye

She also talked to us about how the novel was taught in the classroom. The main way it was taught was reading at home and discussion during class period. One of her biggest points in the interview was that her teacher made it clear that the language used in the novel was historically accurate and “used to portray the ignorance of the past.” I thought this was really interesting because even though there seems to have been a serious discussion about the language and a student was still uncomfortable enough with it to have it brought to the attention of the School Board. I am going to bring this up with my interview with Dr. Richards this week and see what he has to say about it. As a professor of Modern American Literature, I am really interested to see what his perspective is and whether or not the language is necessary.

We also asked us about the protest, since she ended up participating in it and collecting over 300 total signatures there. I was most surprised by how she thought the atmosphere was more “aggressive” than she had hoped. Sadye claims that she was never really angry, rather disappointed, but at the protest there were a lot more angry people than she expected. I am really hoping that Charles Knitter, the man who led the protest will get back to us with answers to our questions soon, because I really want to know what his perspective of the event was.

I think this interview turned out really well. I wish we had been able to get one done with sooner than we did, because we are having the interviews all happen at once. We are going to have at least one more with a To Kill a Mockingbird expert this week, and the hope is to have a second come through with Charles Knitter. Overall, I think these are going to be great pieces to have in our project.

Week 8: Progress Report 3

This has been a crazy week, getting back into the groove after spring break. I think that Karina and I managed to get a ton done despite it being a wonky week. It was at least a weird one for me.

We sent out interview questions to Charles Knitter and I am hoping he responds with his answers soon. We couldn’t figure out a way to schedule and record a phone interview with him so we asked for him to respond to our questions via email. Also, early this past week we heard from the student who created the petition at her school, trying to get To Kill a Mockingbird back on the shelves. She sounds willing to help, but we are still waiting on another response from her. We are making sure if she is not 18 yet that we get the parental permission from her too. I do think that she is according to her Facebook profile (where I contacted her through), but I just want to make sure.

I also called and bugged the school a ton this week. I was transferred around a lot on Wednesday and was finally put into contact with someone who could at least give me some answers. The woman I talked to, Clara Chandler, the director of Accomack County School’s Human Resources and she said they couldn’t and wouldn’t give us a copy of the learning resource complaint because it has confidential information regarding a student’s parent. We were disappointed at this answer, but not completely shocked. I think I tried my best, but am open to suggestions.

Harper Lee's signature. Reads Nelle Lee.
Harper Lee’s Signature. I found this on Wikimedia Commons and added it to the biography page I created this week.

This past week was creating and putting a lot of content on our project site. I just finished working on the Harper Lee Biography page and the background page to the novel. I am getting ready to work on the complaint page. I have to admit that I got somewhat behind this week because of pressing personal things that came up and other class work. I have decided to schedule out time this coming week to continue the work we have planned over the next couple weeks. This week has been a lesson in figuring out how to work on a big project like this in small chucks throughout the week.

This coming week, the main thing is getting the Timeline pulled together. We changed the homepage so it is only the timeline and people can work their way through it. The timeline might be the most time consuming thing of the site content, but I think it will probably be the most used part of our site. There are already a couple things on it, but I really want to add a lot of interactive elements to it. I found the movie trailer for the adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird, which I think would be really interesting for users to watch if they would like. Or things like adding a Google map of the town Harper Lee grew up in, Monroeville, Alabama. So this week will be a lot of experimenting with Timeline, but hopefully by the end of it we’ll have a more robust timeline.

Week 7: Progress Report

I can’t believe we are already halfway done with the class! And I have a feeling the rest of the semester is going to go by faster than the first half did.

We have emailed questions to Charles Knitter this week and will hopefully get his response soon. As of last night, I have been in contact with the student who created the petition at the school. She is interested in providing us with a statement on what happened and gave me some further contact information beyond Facebook. We are going to be sending her more information today and requesting a formal interview that we can use in our site. I find it really awesome that we were able to reach people through Facebook and excited to see what information comes of these two interviews.

I called the school last week asking about the materials we would like to see about the parent’s learning resource complaint, but they insisted that I send a written request in. We emailed them, but have yet to get a response. I think I am going to call again today or tomorrow and see if I can talk to the Accomack County School Board member in charge of those types of complaints. We are hoping they will be willing to give us information about the complaint, but I am afraid we probably won’t. From all the information we have gathered so far I think that this was really bad press for the school system. I would love to go bug the school board in person, but unfortunately Accomack is almost four hours away, so it would have to be an entire day trip which my schedule doesn’t provide.

We pretty much have the skeleton for our site completed. This week is the week where we really start adding content to the pages. I am researching Harper Lee and creating the page where users can find out about the author and why she wrote the book. I am interested to see what I find. I know I have just skimmed the surface so far.

Besides emailing people and creating the skeleton for our site, we did not manage to do very much because we were on spring break. It was definitely one of our slower weeks. This week will be really busy with research and content creating.

So because we don’t have any new content yet, here is pictures from my Spring Break in New Orleans. I went and checked out the Carousel Bar and Lounge where a bunch of famous authors who’ve had challenges and complaints about their novels and plays hung out. I hope everyone else also has a great break in the next few weeks!

picture of Carousel bar and lounge
Carousel Bar and Lounge, where Ernest Hemingway, William Faulkner, and Tennessee Williams used to hang out.

 

picture of art in the French Quarter Streets.
Art in the French Quarter Streets.
picture of bagels
Breakfast at St. Roch Market

Week Five: Reading Reflection

For the past couple weeks, I have been stuck on the readings talking about the voices that are not heard in literature. There are biases in novels that I love and in so much literature these days. Young adults cannot identify even as they are searching for similar experiences because they are just not there.

The Dearth of Narrative Voices in Young Adult Literature: A Call for More Young Adult Literature Written by and for Indigenous People, lays out how there are not enough books written for indigenous people by indigenous people, which on one hand seems crazy to me but then when I look at the publishing industry I understand why. Publishers want a certain frame for these kinds of stories and won’t publish the authentic ones.  The other problem is that if they do tell these stories, it is not by an indigenous person hardly ever. “The danger, according to Bruchac, in not portraying students’ culture accurately is that they may feel that their world and, by extension, their own lives are of no real importance,” (Metzger and Kelleher, 38). The thought of this makes me incredibly sad. I think back to the books I read as a child and I find that I was really drawn to stories where I could see myself. The ones that are my absolute favorite are the ones where I found part of my story accurately, authentically, represented. It is still different for me though because I am white woman who identifies as American. I do not have any other culture that my family identifies with and participates in completely (My father’s side is Polish, but his family did not seem to be oppressed. In fact, the town I grew up in was mainly Polish when it was founded.) Due to this fact, I found lots more reading materials than any group that has been oppressed. Even if someone is struggling with their identity, I want there to be stories for them. And when people are struggling with identity and who they are as a young person, they turn to stories and books. I know I did at least.

I think I can see how this plays out in the novel Karina and I have chosen to explore, To Kill a Mockingbird. One of the main arguments that I have seen when looking at the loads of articles about challenges on To Kill a Mockingbird, is that when young adults read this book and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, they think it is okay to use the n-word. That was the main point of the complaint we found in our case in Accomack County. The parent said her biracial son was uncomfortable with the language and it was upsetting. He cannot see himself in the novel, actually feels like there is not place he can identify with in the pages of the book. A white woman wrote it and though it does push past racism, it still

Picture of Harper Lee from 2007
Haper Lee in 2007

has that bias. I do not think this novel would have been published if a person of color had written this story. It first, most likely would be a different perspective, and I don’t believe publishers would have been open to putting it out there in the world. It is so crazy how we think about a novel, that so many people have read, would not have been published just because some different had written it. Harper Lee’s novel has made an impact on many lives, mine included, but maybe we should reconsider what we publish to make room for a more diverse audience.

Metzger, Kenneth and Wendy Kelleher. The Dearth of Narrative Voices in Young Adult Literature: A Call for More Young Adult Literature Written by and for Indigenous People. ALAN Review. 2008. pp. 36-42.

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